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I’m sorry but your claim that the Russians thought they could invade all of Ukraine in a matter of days is just ridiculous western propaganda. Can you point us to any comment anywhere by any Russian government official who made that claim?

There are many western commentators who seem to think they can read Putin’s mind and continually claim Putin this and Putin that. I can’t read Putin’s mind, but I can listen to what he and other government officials say. I can also see what the Russian military actually does. Russia sent somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 men into Ukraine. Ukraine was one of the largest countries in Europe with a population of around 40 million and a military of over 500,000. It should be obvious to anyone who stops to think about it rationally that 200,000 Russians could not possibly invade all of Ukraine.

What were the Russians trying to do? They were trying to force Ukraine into negotiations to ensure Ukraine remained neutral (I.e. agree to never join NATO) and protect Russian speakers in Ukraine. It actually worked and after negotiations in Istanbul there was the outline of a reasonable agreement.

However, under pressure from the west the Ukranian government did a U turn and decided to fight it out. The Russians then changed tack, pulled back to lines they could defend, dug in for a long war of attrition, and began slowly and systematically building up their armed forces.

Last year General Syrski of Ukraine claimed Russia had more than 600,000 men in Ukraine and was constantly increasing that number. Eventually Russia will have built up their forces to the point that they can invade all of Ukraine. I don’t know what Russia will do then, but I am sure it will be worse for Ukraine and Ukrainians than if they had just gone for the Istanbul agreement.

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ROBIN MURRAY's avatar

I am so pleased to read this. The tedious distortion of history by some who overplay Russian WWII achievements (undoubtedly their sacrifices cannot be forgotten) often accompanied by a downplaying of Western allied effort is something that needed balancing. Sometimes one senses an agenda. A tendency to boost the Russian war effort in memory simply based on disparate casualty comparisons between Russia and its allies is not, as so brilliantly articulated in this article the full story. It fails to account for the contrast in the ‘human wave’ military approach of Russia with the superior ‘steel before flesh’ of the western allies.

Also as you point out and it is a point I often make when dealing with this ‘Russia did most of the fighting’ approach is it fails to recognise the extraordinary level of support in arms provided by the allies including by GB when we ourselves were straining every sinew to keep our forces in the field on land air and sea across the globe.

One additional point I would add is that those who offer an excessively pro Russian anti Western analysis often criticise the failure to open up an early second front to relieve pressure upon the Russian. This ignores the huge training, resource and logistical challenges of a sea invasion of Europe. It also ignores that GB when alone in 1940 far from having Russian help had to cope with a German threat boosted economically by the Nazi/ Soviet pact.

So thank you so much for redressing the balance with this retrospective look at Russian military performance and as you quite rightly point out by the grossly incompetent Russian war effort in Ukraine it would seem both politically and militarily Putin’s country and army has not learned many of the lessons of WW2 in the face of spirited resistance of the Ukrainian army, leadership and people.

Thank you for this timely piece.

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